Re: Clueless (was: Moderation on ietf@xxxxxxxx)

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Before we close on this, another point of cluelessness is that it
comes in two kinds

One kind is that in a network of 2 billion users you are going to find
some people who are genuinely mentally ill making paranoid accusations
and generally being a problem. But thats a very small problem.

The other is the case where someone is clueless about IETF process or
protocols but has a problem they need to solve. And most often they
will present their problem in the form of a proposal for a solution.

Reject the proposed solution as clueless without thinking about it and
you also reject any attempt to solve the problem.


A slight variant of that is when there is a tension between two
different objectives and someone is defending one pole and rejecting
any attempt to address the other.

Case in point here is the frequent insistence on protecting the
privacy of opposition movements in repressive countries. Which is of
course an important objective but not actually the only or most
important one if you want to get rid of said repressive governments.
'Because freedom' is not looking into the totality of requirements.





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