Before we close on this, another point of cluelessness is that it comes in two kinds One kind is that in a network of 2 billion users you are going to find some people who are genuinely mentally ill making paranoid accusations and generally being a problem. But thats a very small problem. The other is the case where someone is clueless about IETF process or protocols but has a problem they need to solve. And most often they will present their problem in the form of a proposal for a solution. Reject the proposed solution as clueless without thinking about it and you also reject any attempt to solve the problem. A slight variant of that is when there is a tension between two different objectives and someone is defending one pole and rejecting any attempt to address the other. Case in point here is the frequent insistence on protecting the privacy of opposition movements in repressive countries. Which is of course an important objective but not actually the only or most important one if you want to get rid of said repressive governments. 'Because freedom' is not looking into the totality of requirements.