Re: SMTP authentication (not soon)

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On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:53 AM, Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 08:29:49AM +0100, Dave Cridland wrote:
> 
>> On 10 July 2014 02:45, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> So how can it be impractical to do something that has already been routing
>>> for over a decade?
>> 
>> Also, XMPP has almost the exact same set of problems as (MTA/MTA) SMTP, and
>> seems to have deployed TLS with PKIX auth just fine
> 
> This is a dramatic over-simplification.
> 
>> and the deployed
>> network is shifting with some pace toward this being mandatory.
> 
> TLS yes, PKIX authentication, not so much, and only provides security
> when the XMPP server can obtain certificates for the target domain
> (not the SRV host).  With SMTP third-party MX hosting is rather common,
> and makes the latter substantially more difficult.

It seems POSH (*) could be applied to SMTP?

(*) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-xmpp-posh

-d


> 
>> The only additional issue for SMTP is that you'd need SNI, but that's not
>> terribly onerous these days.
> 
> This is also a dramatic over-simplification.  SNI support is easy,
> cross-domain key management is not, and other barriers remain.
> Since this is a distraction, I will not debate it further point by
> point.
> 
> -- 
> 	Viktor.
> 






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