On 7/8/2014 12:03 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > And I'm not clear what difference that'd make either, > especially since this topic, and, more recently, this draft > have been the subject of significant discussion on the saag > list. The draft proffers definition of a term that has become central to some recent IETF work. We need a single definition about which there is strong community agreement. The topic has had lively and extended discussion through the saag mailing list, with at least one competing effort (from Steve Kent.) Developing and indicating the degree of rough consensus about this draft from the saag list would indicate the extent to which that discussed converged. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net