On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Joe Touch <touch@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On 5/28/2014 1:32 PM, Carlos M. Martinez wrote: >> >> Interesting reading, but it doesn't really address the original post's >> idea. >> >> Setting some goals and a general vision is not prognostication. It's >> thinking about how you want things to be, rather than trying to guess >> what they'll be like. >> >> You might never get there, and that's ok. But it helps upholding values >> and principles, and guides new work. >> >> It's a bit like writing science fiction. >> >> I, for one, would propose leaving past grievances in the past and to >> look towards the future. > > > My point still remains; the future lies with those who invent it, not with > those who want merely to talk about it. I think I have invented enough of the present to talk about the future. The problem I see at the moment is that the IETF has been very US centric and the response to other governments suggesting they should play a similar role to the US has been parochial at best. > Absent research funds to make things happen, having the IETF - or ISOC - > host such an exercise serves no useful purpose other than to occupy the time > of the participants. The US government has a tendency to plead poverty when it comes to research funds. What funds that are available are often tied to military goals. Turkey is currently in an economic boom. Brazil has dumped $10 billion on hosting the world cup and is looking to spend twice that on the Olympics. Both governments intend to spend on networking research to boost their countries to become the regional technology centers. There is no shortage of research funds to 'make things happen'. That being a superset of research funds available to US based researchers.