Hi Al,
thanks, I've read the entry and the comments on that page.
The examples listed at the page are
1 law : giving a reason to bring an action or a lawsuit against someone
Firing people because of their age is actionable.
2 chiefly US, formal : able to be used as a basis or reason for doing something
We've received actionable information that the men are hiding in these mountains.
The second example still seems to bear proximity to prosecution, even actionable here
doesn't have a legal context (right)?
An excerpt of one of the comments:
...Actionable is first and foremost a legal term that has been diluted of its power
in that context by being used to mean any action taken,...
Also the german translations I could get from a popular translator were
legal or indicated proximity to prosecution. That's why I commented.
I'm not a native speaker of course.
Regards,
Ruediger
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Hi Rüdiger,
It seems that there are multiple definitions of the term, and it is associated with both legal and general contexts.
see
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actionable
for example.
The main point of the section is to expand the concept of usefulness by refining metrics to direct corrective actions.
Fault isolation is only a one of the possible actions, and there are cases where the action would be to restore service without a detailed investigation. The requirement wording allows action in this more broad scope, and doesn't use the term "actionable" :
> Metrics must enable users and operators to understand path
> performance and SHOULD help to direct corrective actions when
> warranted, based on the measurement results.
So, although there is a version of the definition for the legal world, I think we can be comfortable based on the wording of the section that this use is outside the realm of law (same as the context for virtually all RFCs).
regards,
Al
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> (Advanced Stream and Sampling Framework for IPPM) to Informational RFC
>
> Hi Al, hi Joachim,
>
> sorry for being late with this comment. It's not technical and not
> purely editorial too.
>
> If I get it right, section 4.3 uses a legal term "actionable" to
> describe metrics being used for fault location or fault isolation. I
> suggest to completely replace the word/concept "actionable"
> by "fault isolation". I think the purpose of the section is clarified
> by this change, rather than weakened. I'm not sure whether legal
> terminology like "actionable"
> should get part of
> IETF specifications and I personally prefer technical terminology.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ruediger
>
> ---------
>
>
> 4.3 Actionable
>
>
> The IP Performance Metrics Framework [RFC2330] includes usefulness as
> a metric criterion:
>
> "...The metrics must be useful to users and providers in
> understanding the performance they experience or provide...".
>
> When considering measurements as part of a maintenance process,
> evaluation of measurement results for a path under observation can
> draw attention to potential performance problems "somewhere" on the
> path. Anomaly detection is therefore an important phase and first
> step which already satisfies the usefulness criterion for many
> metrics.
>
> This concept of usefulness can be extended, becoming a sub-set of
> what we refer to as "actionable" criterion in the following. Central
> to maintenance is the isolation of the root cause of reported
> anomalies down to a specific sub-path, link or host, and metrics
> should support this second step as well. While detection of path
> anomaly may be the result of an on-going monitoring process, the
> second step of cause isolation consists of specific, directed on-
> demand measurements on components and sub-paths. Metrics must
> support users in this directed search, becoming actionable:
>
> Metrics must enable users and operators to understand path
> performance and SHOULD help to direct corrective actions when
> warranted, based on the measurement results.
>
> Besides characterizing metrics, usefulness and actionable properties
> are also applicable to methodologies and measurements.
>
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