And the language standards bodies don't define many of the APIs AFAICT ... the defined to a major degree by the groups implementing the network libraries. If OpenSSL and someone else implement an SSL API, it would be really good for it to be the same C/C++ etc. API. On Wed, 30 Apr 2014, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 4/30/14 3:48 PM, Joe Touch wrote: > > (that doesn't preclude the benefit of a liason to a language-standards > > group, but we shouldn't be seeing IETF proposals for such instances IMO). > > Probably not, but it seems pretty clear that deployment > of some IETF protocols has suffered from either the lack > of a comprehensive API, or crappy API. I'm thinking of > IPSec, newer DNS features, etc. I think it's very much > in the interest of the IETF to have someone around who > can talk to some of the language standards bodies about > how to expose protocol features, how to deal with options, > etc. > > Melinda >