On 25-Apr-14 14:46, Dave Crocker wrote: > Seriously. Expecting anything is frankly naive. Actually having hung out in the den of battling interests called ICANN, I find that requiring people to list their interests (they call them statements of interest, not conflict of interest) as a condition of participating in working groups results in people actually listing their interests. And in a few case where people try to hide it, someone is sure to point that out to. I also find it useful to know where people might be coming from when they suggest ideas. Now, expecting that to work in the IETF might be naive, but i am naive enough to not understand why. Sure it would require learning new tricks, but I bet we could do it if we had the will to do it. I am also old enough to remember an IETF when the drive of industry wasn't quite as strong and where people were allowed to develop technology if there was a general interest in the work even without an a-priori guarantee that some company was going to deploy. It is sad that the technology drive has been replaced with an industry drive. Then again, I am naive enough to believe that even this could be fixed if there was a will to do so. avri