Doug Barton wrote:
On 04/24/2014 02:35 PM, Martin Rex wrote:
Doug Barton wrote:
What won't help is sitting on the sidelines and whinging that the
"DMARC
cabal" "doesn't get it" and has to listen to us about how it should
conduct their business. Because not only do they clearly not have to do
that, they are not doing it.
But that is exactly what happens here, they obviously don't get it at
all.
... and yet the DMARC rollout continues. My point being that
complaining about it has been ineffective so far, and is likely to
continue to be ineffective.
In case you didn't know or realize, what DMARC specifies for p=reject
is actually a real felony crime in Germany (no kidding!),
I can't comment intelligently on that point. However I would assume
that the high-powered attorneys at the large multi-national
corporations (Yahoo! and AOL) who have already deployed it don't think
you're right. OTOH if you are right, it will make an interesting side
show. :)
It also should stop since it is technically wrong.
That's your opinion, and the opinion of a non-trivial number of people
on this list. But again, even if you're right, the thing is being
deployed anyway. So fixing the mailing list software is the right
thing to do regardless.
It is the tail trying to wag the dog
You have "the tail" and "the dog" reversed. Mailing list traffic is a
tiny fraction of what the big providers carry. IT is the tail.
Is that really true, after you eliminate all of the spam, and the ads
that fall just this side of "legitimate?"
Given that spam is now, what, 80+ percent of net traffic (some sources
claim >90%), I wonder what the real breakdown is between:
- personal email
- work email
- notifications from social media sites
- "real" commercial traffic (bills, statements, order confirmations)
- list traffic (including work/company/university lists, user support,
project-specific, affinity groups, churches, one's kids' schools, etc.)
And then I wonder how that differs for:
- personal mailboxes
- work mailboxes
- separate mailboxes set up to insulate one's personal mailbox from
things other than personal and work traffic
In that later regard, I see an awful lot of people who set up mailboxes
on free services, specifically for list-related traffic.
Speaking personally for a moment, and I'm certainly atypical, what I see is:
- personal account (been around a long time, highly visible, aggregates
a lot of older accounts, a lot of admin traffic is routed to it as well)
--- 5000 messages a day
--- 4500, automatically filtered to /dev/null (spam, admin traffic I
really don't want to look at, some old lists)
--- of the remaining traffic:
------ 200 or so - spam that gets past loose spam traps, deleted by eyeball
------ 225 or so - admin and list traffic (more these days, given the
DMARC and IANAxfr discussions)
------ 25 - a mix of personal, notifications, various other stuff
- AOL and Yahoo accounts - rarely used - whenever I check, ALL spam
- work account: mostly 1-1 and some professional newsletters (1-way lists)
I'd be really interested in profiles of typical user accounts from big
providers who claim that most of what they handle isn't list traffic.
Miles Fidelman