So there is only one set of ethical rules for scientists and engineers then? Thats news to me. On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people >> entered the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc problem. > > The question actually is: Do you agree to the ethical rules for scientists and engineers? > > By the way, those ethical rules require only disclosure, not recusal. > > /Larry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phillip Hallam-Baker [mailto:hallam@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:05 PM > To: lrosen@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List > Subject: Re: Author disclosures and conflict of interest > > Like the question 'are you a spy' which they used to ask when people entered the US, I fail to see how this helps with the NSA/FSB/PLA/etc problem. > > The people who are being paid to subvert the standards aren't going to say. > > They might not even know that the objective is subversion. > > > Like many IETF participants I have substantial financial interests in several Internet companies besides my employer. Am I meant to put those in a blind trust? > > And even if I did all that people would still assume that I am working as an agent of the New World Order. Though quite how the other folk on the conference call worked out that the helicopter is black still puzzles me. > > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> I’ve been skimming recent threads on this list relating to work done >> (or not done) at IETF and was reminded of this from Science Magazine: >> >> >> >> Authorship Form and Conflict-of-Interest Statement >> >> To meet its responsibility to readers and to the public to provide >> clear and unbiased scientific results and analyses, Science believes >> that manuscripts (including Brevia, Essays, Perspectives, Policy >> Forums, Reports, Research Articles, Reviews, and Viewpoints) should be >> accompanied by clear disclosures from all authors of the nature and >> level of their contribution to the article, their understanding >> regarding the obligation to share data and materials, and any >> affiliations, funding sources, or financial holdings that might raise >> questions about possible sources of bias. Before manuscript >> acceptance, therefore, authors will be asked to sign an >> authorship/conflict-of-interest form. Specific information will be sent to most authors at the time of manuscript revision. >> >> Authorship Form and Statement of Conflicts of Interest [PDF] >> >> >> >> Part IV regarding “Conflict of Interest” is particularly relevant to >> standards organizations such as IETF. Such a disclosure requirement >> would further encourage everyone to trust and implement IETF specifications. >> >> >> >> This document follows the recommendations in On Being a Scientist: A >> Guide to Responsible Conduct in Research, The National Academies >> Press, Third Edition (2009). >> >> >> >> /Larry >> >> >> >> Lawrence Rosen >> >> Rosenlaw & Einschlag (www.rosenlaw.com) >> >> 3001 King Ranch Road, Ukiah, CA 95482 >> >> Cell: 707-478-8932 Fax: 707-485-1243 >> >> > > > > -- > Website: http://hallambaker.com/ > -- Website: http://hallambaker.com/