--On Saturday, April 19, 2014 08:17 -0700 ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > I've been thinking about it, and I think this needs to be > addressed on at least > two different fronts. First, I've come to believe that the > IETF needs to say > something, in some capacity, about the political aspects of > the DMARC situation specifically. > > I also think the time has come to try and address the more > general problem > of misunderstanding and/or misrepresentation of the status of > various > documents. This probably needs to be addressed through a > combination of > automatic labeling as well as some explicit statements here > and there. Ned, I agree, but I also think there is another element of the situation that got us here, and that has led us close to other problems in the past. When the RFC Editor is asked to publish a non-WG document (i.e., either an individual submission through the IETF stream or as an independent submission) that could be construed as some sort of standard (whether actually standards track or not) or approval of an IANA parameter registration is on the basis of expert review, there as a potential for the appearance of conflicts of interest. Those conflicts need not be of the traditional legal or financial variety. They can occur (or be perceived to occur) when someone's institutional or organizational relationships outside the IETF might lead people to suspect that review and decision-making might not be as careful, unbiased, or primarily reflective of the interest of the IETF or the broader Internet community as we would like it to assume it always is. For situations where troublesome relationships exist or might be inferred (even by those suffering from mild paranoid), we need to get much more careful about disclosure of the relationships involved. > And this really needs to be spearheaded by the IESG, not the > IAB. I hope the IESG is already considering taking action. > If not, they should be. Indeed. john