On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 03:35:09PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > Right, so the input here from the operators is, "Mailing list traffic is not > important enough to us to prevent us from deploying an anti-spam solution > that solves the vast majority of our problems with little cost or > difficulty. The MLM software authors will have to deal with this problem on > their end." ... and then the operators should not be surprised if the people modifying the MLM software do something which is best for them, and which not necessarily best for the interest of the users of certain operators. Which is the default when neither side is willing compromise, and everyone is reduced to taking unilateral action. If you want to call that a failure of the standards process, I can only agree. I suspect the only difference is how the blame for the failure gets allocated. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. Some people will use one kind of messaging, and say it's all the mailing list people's fault, and some other people will use a different messaging, and say it's all Yahoo's fault. And the users will be stuck in the middle.... and presumably they as their own indpendent actors, will do what is in their best interest. Cheers, - Ted