Re: DMARC from the perspective of the listadmin of a bunch of SMALL community lists

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Dick Franks wrote:


On 14 April 2014 16:36, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mfidelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Dick Franks wrote:


        On 13 April 2014 00:35, <ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:ned%2Bietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:ned%2Bietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
        [snip]

           It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference
           material or to cite them other than as "work in progress."

        An implementation based on I-D reference material is therefore
        no better than "work in progress".

        The blame for this debacle lies squarely with Yahoo, and its
        inadequate engineering change management.


    That's all in the fine print.


Indeed, but with blame so firmly attached, list operators need not be too concerned about inconveniencing Yahoo customers by rejecting posts. Those most affected will doubtless vote with their metaphorical feet.



    - allowing someone to represent something as an IETF standard
    carries a risk to IETF's standing, effectiveness, and credibility
    as the Internet's standards body (ISO tends to get very upset if
    someone claims to be ISO9000 certified, but isn't; Xerox sends
    lawyers after competitors who refer to their copiers as "xerox
    machines")


Are you suggesting that IETF brings an action for trademark infringement?

Against whom?


A more pragmatic, less expensive, and publicly visible expression of IETF displeasure might be to expunge all versions of the offending I-D from IETF document store and refuse to publish any subsequent version until the unwarranted claims made for it are retracted.

To be effective, that needs to be done now, while the iron is still hot; not after the usual 3-month email debate about the diplomatic niceties.

The later, accompanied with a strong statement about the limits of DMARC, and the flaws in its deployment - might not be a bad start.

Miles

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra





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