--On Sunday, March 30, 2014 20:38 -0400 Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mar 30, 2014, at 6:44 PM, John C Klensin > <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> Whether one accepts it or not, "been here already" tests are >> not about debugging. They are about loop detection and DoS >> attacks. > > Are there MTAs that make use of the Received: header for loop > detection? It is long gone, but my recollection is that the second-generation VM/CMS Internet-BITNET gateway did both count and "been here" checks. Exim not only does a count check but has a configuration parameter for the threshold count. Ned or one of his group would be authoritative about their current system and its PMDF predecessor but my recollection is that the latter made at least one of those checks. Based on the above, comments from others, and my general impressions and recollections, I think the answer to the above question is probably "yes, most of them". john