> That's a bit like saying my shooting a gun in your direction is really a > matter of your causing a self-inflicted wound. Ah, Americans. Guns. Is the injury a burglar receives self-inflicted? Is the castle doctrine sensible? Do you _really_ want to go there with that analogy? Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker [dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 17 March 2014 03:12 To: stbryant@xxxxxxxxx; IETF Discussion Subject: Re: Social Science and the IETF On 3/11/2014 2:35 AM, Stewart Bryant wrote: > On 11/03/2014 08:42, Dave Crocker wrote: >> Harassment and bullying are forms of intimidation seeking to >> marginalize a participant. They are not "interaction" problems; they >> are attacks. > > One person's attack is another person's interaction problem and vice versa. Stewart, That's a bit like saying my shooting a gun in your direction is really a matter of your causing a self-inflicted wound. In other words, the view you are espousing does not match that of those experts you asked to have consulted. (You really need to look at the material cited in the draft. If you have an issue with that material, please state so, explicitly.) And for some of the behaviors, it does not match the laws in many jurisdictions. The fact that misunderstandings can sometimes occur does not eliminate the fact of real harassment or bullying. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net