On 3/15/14, 2:24 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > > > --On Friday, March 14, 2014 20:43 +0000 John Levine > <johnl@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>> I don't - I just like guidance on what to upgrade to e.g >>> will XP stop working in April when it goes out of currency? >> >> No, but they'll stop fixing security bugs, so you'll fairly >> soon be pwn3d. >> >> Perhaps you could splurge on a ?200 Windows 7 laptop, or check >> out the wonders of Ubuntu. > > --On Friday, March 14, 2014 14:04 -0700 Douglas Otis > <doug.mtview@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> A real concern is the vast majority industrial controls such >> as ATMs using Windows XP. It seems this somewhat hidden >> segment of the market lacks effective incentives. > > John and Doug, > > It is not clear to me that this is a useful topic for the IETF > list, but... > > I'm deeply sympathetic to Microsoft's issues with trying to > maintain an old operating system that has a well-deserved > reputation for being bug- and security-hole-ridden (albeit not > as bad as some of its predecessors). At the same time, some of > us have a strong preference for machines in the class most > recently known as "netbooks" -- screens in the 7 - 9 inch range, > maybe stretching to 10 or 10.1, but no larger; weight under 1 Kg > including power supply "bricks"; real (as distinct from John, I've got an asus eee of the second or third generation right here. I don't much care for existential ennui about newly unsupported operating systems, what I run is my business frankly. It runs ie8/current firefox and chrome without drama. I'm not sure that my expectations about what constitutes a functional internet connected personal computer are closely tied to what os it runs. > chicklet, touch/promimity, or onscreen keyboards), long battery > life; etc. Because they have tended to be a little underpowered > for the fancy graphics and other demands of Windows from Vista > forward, my recollection is that those machines were shipping > with XP well into 2010 and probably into 2011. So they are not > quite as ancient as some of the correspondence implies. More > important, there are, as far as I know, no replacements: the > Ultrabooks (and the smallest Mac) are larger, heavier, and don't > provide the battery life. Windows 7 and 8 (even Win 7 Starter) > simply won't run acceptably on that range of machines. > > So it isn't just the embedded machines... or being too cheap to > buy a Win 7 (or 8) laptop. > > john > >
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