If there is no pointer to such discussion then I believe there were no discussion at all. However, I will raise this issue very seriously again.
Please provide me with information so I can comment on it, because you mentioned that it was discussed in every dimension and I think it is only the American dimensions.
AB
On Sunday, March 9, 2014, Russ Housley wrote:
On Sunday, March 9, 2014, Russ Housley wrote:
The IETF had a discussion about languages while Harald was chair. In my opinion, every dimension of the issues was discussed at that time. I do not think that anything new has been raised for use to reopen the discussion.RussOn Mar 9, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:Bonjour,I agree with Mohammed totally. I recommend allowing another second official language will solve a lot of native English speakers problems.Comments belowAB
On Sunday, March 9, 2014, Ted Lemon wrote:On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:02 PM, mohammed serrhini <serrhini@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think their exclusion is not fair
> the effort must be made by the latter because he has put himself in the skin of the other
> and must to ask him self , what happen in the case if native language is the official language IETF is not English
One of the frustrations of life is that even if we recognize that something is unfair, there may be limited possibilities for addressing the unfairness. It was once the case that French was the language of diplomacy, and an attempt was made to formulate an artificial language, Esperanto, for use by diplomats as a new "lingua franca."Not only diplomats but the French language is more sensitive and polite language which has nice feelings.
For better or for worse, the Internet broke that process (I don't think there was much hope for Esperanto anyway). So what do we do now?The answer to your Qs is let us Speak French, and write and read in French. Programming in one language is poor programming, IETF SHOULD become smarter and it SHOULD be able to write and read in French.Try to revive Esperanto as a language for expressing standards? Choose a different language, so as to change the lucky recipient of privilege?
ThanksI can't speak for other IETFers, but I am keenly aware of the unfairness of the current situation. But the only thing I know how to do to fix it is to help people for whom english is not their first language to participate in english anyway.That is one side solving, so you help non native speakers what about helping native English speakers that complaint a lot about English grammar and non sense of IETF participants that speak IETF language.IETF language is using English right but it is not the same way Americans use it but it is the worlds use of English.There is a lot of interest within the IETF in doing this—it's not just me.I add to your interest. There were a great person I meat in IETF that is volunteering translation to French language.
If you have ideas for how to change this, please share them with us.I always do share my ideas but some native English readers use their receiving problem to put down ideas just because of few grammar mistakes.But the mere fact that I as a native english speaker happen to be privileged at the moment is a fact with which I am already painfully familiar (although no doubt much less painfully than the non-native english speakers).
If other IETFers are not aware of this, it would be good if they could wake up to it. I would certainly advise native-english-speaking IETFers to really exercise patience when communicating with non-native speakers, keeping in mind exactly what you, Mohammed, have said: that the situation is unfair, and it is incumbent on those of us in the privileged position to do our best to help those who are not.I said many times that IETF needs to solve the problem and happy to get support.
But is that all we can do? And if we do it to the best of our ability, will it be enough?