the general IETF list is in fact a release valve for all the other IETF lists, so that they are not cluttered by this material. a very necessary function. Lloyd Wood http://about.me/lloydwood ________________________________________ From: ietf [ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randy Bush [randy@xxxxxxx] Sent: 09 March 2014 08:50 To: IETF Disgust Subject: a radical idea it would be really cool if we had a general ietf mailing list on which to discuss internet engineering, you know, stuff such as transport, routing, security, etc. i realize it would only interest a minority, and would, of course, be subsidiary to the very important social and political content of this august list. but for the very few of us still trying to do internet engineering, it might be useful. randy