Hi Brian, On 2014-03-08 16:07 Brian E Carpenter said the following: > Henrik, > > I find the new archive highly inconvenient for reviewing a thread > or a chronological sequence on a given list. This can be done > at glance with the old archives with one line per message. With > the new one, it's matter of figuring what filter to set up. I have > found it *much* harder to find a particular thread than with the > old archive. Ok. I thought we'd provided for this, but if what we've done isn't good enough, we may need to do something more about it. The intention was that the 'Group by Thread' button above the list of messages, to the left of the search field, should provide a thread view. However, I find that for the main IETF list, getting a thread-sorted view is unbearably slow, while it works OK for the WG lists I've just checked. Personally I find that I still miss some kind of indication of where each thread starts, though. > Please consider providing a subject-threaded and a topic-threaded > view of a single list into the new archive. We definitely need > a view equivalent to this one for every list: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/maillist.html That's the date/time sorted view of the old archive. If I in the new archive (taking the long route here, to make sure that my assumptions are explicit ) go to the main page: https://mailarchive.ietf.org and click on 'browse' underneath the search field, I get to the page listing all the list archives: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ Here I click on the list in your example, 'apps-discuss', which gives me a (by default) date-sorted view of the apps-discuss list, where I see a list of the latest messages for apps-discuss. I can scroll the message list pane, to see earlier messages, and also expand the list page to show a larger number of messages at one time. (There's a bug which doen't fill the list pane fully if you expand the size beyond the preloaded list entries, but this will be fixed shortly.) I've enclosed a screen capture image to illustrate what I see at this point. > A generalised search tool does not provide the same convenience. Agreed; it was our intention to provide also thread-grouped views, and the list date-ordered view I described above. > Also it would be handy to have a way to download a raw archive. This should be available from the 'Export' dropdown in the upper right- hand corner, in both mbox and (gzipped tar) Maildir format; if used for an unfiltered list view it should export the list archive; if used with a search it should export the search results. Best regards, Henrik > Regards > Brian > > On 09/03/2014 03:44, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Björn, Dale, >> >> On 2014-03-07 23:02 Bjoern Hoehrmann said the following: >>> * Dale R. Worley wrote: >>>> I've noticed that recently messages to the Ietf mailing list have been >>>> sprouting "Archived-At" headers. This seems to be a great >>>> convenience. But when I attempted to use one of these links, >>>> http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/rvA1yLD7Ds2BAxWYv3iN1ONAxJs >>>> it turned out not to be what I expected -- it contained the message, >>>> but none of the threading that I've learned to love in IETF mail >>>> archives. >> >> Right. However, updating the single-message view is on the to-do list. >> >>>> Which is all rather odd, since there *is* a URL that goes to the >>>> "real" archive, and does give access to the threading: >>>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg86465.html >>>> Why is that URL not put into the Archived-At header? >> >> 2 reasons: >> >> * That URL goes to the old archives, not to the new archives >> at mailarchive.ietf.org. We're aiming at phasing out the old >> archives once it's been established that the new service is >> solid. >> >> * That url will break if for some reason the archive pages have to >> be re-generated due to later inclusion of list messages which didn't >> originally make it into the archive for one reason or another. It's >> happened a few times, and the way MHonArc generates the web pages >> guarantees breakage if a dropped message has to be added. This is not >> the case with the current Archived-At headers, which use a hash generated >> by hashing Message-ID and list acronym, and is independent of any particular >> sequence or ordering of messages in the list archive. >> >>>> Though to put the shoe on the other foot, I notice that the *former* >>>> archive will show me the full headers of the message if I want, but >>>> the latter archive won't. >> >> Yes. The latter (the old MHonArc archive) only includes some selected >> headers in what's made available in the web page; one of many deficiencies >> the new archive software aim to fix. >> >>> I assume there are some technical reasons, Henrik Levkowetz (copied) >>> might be able to comment. >> >> I hope the information above helps. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> > >
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