> AB4- Slides 4, 10 and 37, are confusing. In S4 it says IETF has no members, > but in S10 it says IESG members and other body members, also in S37 shows > that IESG is part of IETF. That may mean that IETF has members, so we cannot > say as in S4 that IETF has no members. There's no conflict here, and your last sentence doesn't follow from the rest. The IETF has "participants", not members. You are a participant, simply because you participate. You didn't have to do anything to become a member -- you don't have to pay anything, you don't have to work for a member company, and so on. The IETF has a set of administrative bodies that manage its process. Those bodies have members, appointed from the set of IETF participants through a defined process. The IETF has no members. The administrative bodies do. Barry