On 02/03/2014 22:55, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 2/28/2014 11:57 PM, John Levine wrote: >> The IETF is #3, while the IAB is only #5. > > > The fact that we promote the view that the IAB is separate from the IETF > is an actual problem we should worry about. It's misleading. I don't think so. Try telling the IRTF that it's part of the IETF because it reports to the IAB. Ditto the RFC Editor or the Independent Series Editor. And I can't even find words to summarise the IANA complications. Brian