Dave, But you use the phrase "the way people have been" and then you list all of the terrible things of which these people have been guilty. Yours Irrespectively, John > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Crocker [mailto:dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 3:37 PM > To: John E Drake > Cc: ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Ad hominems (was: Policy of WG chairs in organising time for > presentations and face2face discussions) > > On 2/25/2014 2:37 PM, John E Drake wrote: > >> For this thread, it's been interesting to watch the way people have > >> been > >> >skipping logic steps, conflating issues, inventing issues, wandering > >> >off into hypotheticals, or entirely missing basic issues. > > [JD] For my personal understanding, why isn't the above an ad hominem > > attack of those that disagree with you? > > > > For the same reason your question to me is not an ad hominem: > > The focus is on what was said, not who said it. > > So while my previous note might be criticized for being overly broad or or overly > vague, or inadequately substantiated, or just plain wrong, it was not "about" > the people but rather "about" the things being said. > > > d/ > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net >