> If we come to the conclusion that our "leaders" are not saying > what we want them to say (with or without qualifications about > who they are speaking for), then the correct remedies … Right. This is why the note said, among other thing, that "there is a lot of work happening in our respective communities, driven by the participants and handled with the usual community processes". (By the way, I do get a lot of feedback on what I say in various places. Please keep that feedback coming. It is helpful.) Jari