Re: Agenda, security, and monitoring

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On 2014-02-02 09:54, Dave Crocker wrote:
> On 2/2/2014 12:48 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote:
>> On 2014-02-02 00:34, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>> 1. It has demonstrated unacceptable usability for average users.
>>
>> At last my view and experience is that latest Enigmail and MacGPG is
>> making it usable.
>>
>> The key exchange is hard, but works really well in Enigmail+Thunderbird,
>> as key management is directly from mail read/compose window. Not in a
>> separate application.
> 
> You think that's a system that can and will be convenient and used by
> the mass market???
> 
> So why isn't it already?

Several reasons, but specifically two:

A. Even people like we engineers (just look at your message) is unaware
of the good software that is out there

B. It is not supported by Microsoft/Outlook out of the box

>>> 2. It does not protect the header or the envelope, to the extent anyone
>>> cares about divulging the Subject or other message meta-data...
>>
>> Correct. It only protects what it protects.
>>
>>> 3. It's packaging in the body is ugly. (See #1)
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>> It is using multipart/signed just like other security mechanisms that
>> protects the body.
> 
> Take a look at the message that John posted, opening this thread.  That
> some systems use multipart/signed is fine, but it's not what's most
> common for PGP.

I disagree.

   Patrik


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