Both Tom and Lars text would work for me. There seem to be so many ways to write it such that it is still brief but captures the key elements of the BCP. Pete, I really think it is that putting a sentences in it that is clearly false is just wrong and I can not understand why you are arguing for that? On Jan 24, 2014, at 4:42 AM, Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Couldn't sleep last night as often happens because of the medication I'm on. So how about this medication-inspired effort, starting with Scott's summation: > > "BCP79 provides authoritative rules regarding your obligations to disclose IPR when participating in the activities of the IETF, and should be referred to when the issue arises. The following summary is not totally accurate but provides a brief reminder. > > General rule: if you make a contribution to IETF discussion, and you know or have reason to believe (without making a search) that you or your employer or sponsor owns IPR that has a high probability of being infringed by implementations based on that contribution, you or your employer must disclose that IPR in timely fashion. > > Secondly, if you know or have reason to believe (without making a search) that implementations of the content of an IETF discussion in which you have not yet participated have a high probability of infringing on IPR owned by you or your employer then you must either > -- not participate in the discussion, or > -- participate and disclose in accordance with the general rule. > > Finally, if you are aware of third party IPR in a contribution to the IETF, you are encouraged to send an email message to ietf-ipr@xxxxxxxx as soon as reasonable disclosing that information." > > On 23/01/2014 12:58 PM, Bradner, Scott wrote: >> the actual rules are >> 1/ if you know of any of your IPR in a contribution you make, you must disclose >> 2/ if you know of any of your IPR in any contribution from someone else and you are participating in discussions >> that involve that contribution, then you must disclose >> 3/ if you know of any of your IPR in any contribution from someone else and you are not participating in discussions >> that involve that contribution, then you are requested to disclose >> >> see - its not that hard to say this briefly >> >> Scott >> > ...