Re: [tsvwg] [mpls] OT (was Re: draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp was RE: gre-in-udp draft (was: RE: Milestones changed for tsvwg WG))

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Or perhaps UDP heavy with a FCS at the end and no checksum at all.

You do make a good point that perhaps UDP lite should be mentioned in
MPLS over UDP as an option.

Curtis


In message <290E20B455C66743BE178C5C84F1240847E63346CB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
 
> you've got the perfect application to encourage UDP lite adoption and
> deployment here.
>  
> Lloyd Wood
> http://about.me/lloydwood
> ________________________________________
> From: Stewart Bryant [stbryant@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 15 January 2014 11:31
> To: Randy Bush
> Cc: Wood L  Dr (Electronic Eng); wes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; curtis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; gorry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; mpls@xxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx; tsvwg@xxxxxxxx; jnc@xxxxxxx; lisp@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [tsvwg] [mpls] OT (was Re: draft-ietf-mpls-in-udp was RE: gre-in-udp draft (was: RE: Milestones changed for tsvwg WG))
>  
> On 15/01/2014 11:08, Randy Bush wrote:
> > [ you insist on cc:ing me, so you get to endure my opinions ]
> >
> >> it seems that there are no valid statistics for the current Internet
> >> to sustain your case.
> > as we discussed privately, there seem to be no real measurements to
> > sustain any case.  this is all conjecturbation.
> >
> > what i do not understand is why, given the lack of solid evidence that
> > we are in a safe space, you and others are not willing to spend a few
> > euro cents to have a reasonable level of assurance at this layer.
> >
> > randy
> Randy,
>  
> It is not a few cents, it is likely the re-engineering of a lot
> of silicon.
>  
> The reason that UDP is of interest is that the on path silicon
> knows how to process it, for example it knows how to to ECMP it.
>  
> The reason that the UDP c/s is a problem for a tunneler is that
> it needs to have access to the whole pkt to calculate the
> c/s, but as you know the silicon optimised that access away
> a long time ago.
>  
> The alternative would be UDP-lite, but the ability of on path
> silicon to process that as competently and as completely as it
> processes UDP is by no means clear.
>  
> - Stewart





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