On 12/12/2013 10:19, Stephen Farrell wrote: > I've a question about the relevance of your comment > John: > > On 12/11/2013 08:53 PM, John C Klensin wrote: >> if encryption >> were pervasive > > The draft in question does not call for that. It calls > for proper consideration of the pervasive monitoring > attack and work to mitigate that. And I intended my comment to mean that. I suspect that pervasive encryption would be more of a curse than a blessing; IMHO we need to do a lot more analysis to determine the appropriate counter-measures. They may well include pervasive *ability to encrypt* but that is a vastly different statement from recommending pervasive encryption. And as the French government has so neatly demonstrated, pervasive encryption doesn't actually prevent surveillance. Brian