On 12/12/2013 02:07, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... >> NEW: >> More limited-scope monitoring that >> is required in order to operate the network or an application is not >> considered pervasive monitoring. > > Can you give examples of what is "not required" to operate > the network? Well, is the degree of deep packet inspection performed by a load balancer or a diffserv classifier "monitoring"? What about a web cache that looks at your URL to discover whether or not it has a cached copy? These are things widely considered to be vital parts of normal operation, but they may be looking at every packet you send. However, they could all be readily suborned for surveillance purposes. Is Netflow or IPFIX "monitoring"? They're also considered vital by some operators. They are also prime sources for traffic analysis. On the other hand a classical router that *only* looks at the destination address and logs nothing is presumably not "monitoring" in anybody's book. I think Alissa's phrasing is just fine. Brian