since we were looking for a rat-hole, i can crawl in this one. from the ops pov, uct/gmt (and let's skip that rathole) makes sense. most of us think that way. but it is amusing to note that i worked for one global isp which runs on the new jersey timezone and another global isp that runs on japanese standard time <blush>. and i am sure there are more. but i suspect we all know how to convert. randy