I agree with Randy. Presentation material, documents, etc. should be available in advance at least 1 or 2 weeks before the IETF (not 2 hours, not 2 days) and to support the discussion (not to be presented). People in the meeting should have read it (draft and slides) and be prepared to discuss the draft, not to learn about it as we are doing now. F2F meetings should be about discussions, no presentations. We could try something like this: A Simple Rule to Eliminate Useless Meetings https://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/20130701022638-22330283-a-simple-rule-to-eliminate-useless-meetings (I have never done it, but it seems interesting). Regards, as On 7/28/13 6:13 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> I would be very sorry to see IETF *working* meetings turned into >> something closer to conferences, or to dumbing things down to >> accommodate newcomers who I gather from discussion so far don't have >> anything particular in mind. > > yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove the > projectors and screens. > > randy >