Hi. I've been trying to stay out of the broader conversation here, but it seems to have gone far enough into general issues... Disclaimer and context: I felt that the DNS was better off with deep hierarchy since before the work that led to RFC 1591 started. I hadn't changed my mind when the NRC report [1] tried to stress that it was much more important to look at navigation issues than at how many names one could sell. I felt the same way during the gTLD-MOU effort and, during the period leading up to ICANN, argued that generic TLDs should be encouraged to compete on services, not only price. I think we would have been better off if we had called this critter the "domain mnemonic system" because we may have been doomed as soon as the world "name" and the folks who design user interfaces and marketing campaigns caught up with each other. For the same reason, I thought TLD labels should be treated as codes with "names" being a user interface property and have had misgivings about top-level IDNs because I was concerned that they would immediately introduce "name" translation problems [2]. I haven't changed my mind much in the last several years and believe that the only likely effect of having a few thousand TLDs will be to increase the rate at which users --most of whom already don't know the difference between a domain name and a search term-- go to search engines rather than trying to remember and use any but a very few domain names. I assume there are folks around ICANN who aren't aware of those views and the reasoning behind them, but it isn't because either my versions of them or those of others have been a secret. That said: (1) It is clear to me that ICANN is committed to the gTLD course --including generic terms, IDNs and variants, and a number of other things that may be ill-advised-- and that they, case-by-case decisions about a few names notwithstanding, are not going to change course unless something happens externally that gives them no choice. (2) In the context of the above, making "statements" at this time is largely an effort in a**-covering: allowing various entities to say, if something goes wrong, "don't blame us, we warned you". If the IAB really wanted to make a statement that might have affected the overall situation, the window on that probably closed a year or two ago. Perhaps they should have done that, perhaps not, but it is too late. (3) If the IAB is going to make statements now, for whatever reason, I believe those statements should be technically comprehensive. Because I don't expect such statements to have any real effect, that has as much or more to do with IAB long-term credibility as it does with statement content. For that reason, focusing this one on the DNS and ignoring the applications consequences is probably suboptimal. (4) There may be an IETF community issue with how the IAB is handling statements like this. On the one hand, I believe it is very important that the IAB be able to reach conclusions and expose them to the wider world without IETF consensus approval. On the other, I think that their taking advantage of that too often, especially when there should be reason to believe that there are useful perspectives in the community that they may not have internally, represents poor judgment. IMO, there has to be a balance, the IAB has to decide where that balance lies, and the community's best recourse if they regularly get it wrong involve conversations with the Nomcom. My own guess is that this "new gTLD" stuff is going to work out badly for the Internet. In one scenario, some new gTLD applicants get the domains they asked for, things don't work out as they expected when they applied (whether technically or economically makes no difference) and they respond unhappily (which might involve lawyers but probably doesn't really affect the IETF or the Internet in a substantive way. In another, users go even more to search engines and the value of domain names drops significantly. That could, indirectly, have bad effects on ISOC and how the IETF budget is supported. In still another, there could be some nasty effects on ICANN and/or its leadership that could disrupt whatever balance now exists in "Internet governance" and/or the interactions among players in, e.g., the Internet protocol space. But, IMO, the thing that all these issues and discussions threads have in common is that we are in between the time that different plans could have been made and the time that we find out how things are really going to sort themselves out. A "statement" here and there aside, we mostly need to wait... and debates about what happened in the past and why might be interesting when the history is written (and maybe when the finger-pointing starts) but probably aren't actionable in the interim. Just my opinion. john [1] [2] See RFC 4185