On 11/07/2013 07:44, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 7/10/13 1:41 PM, Keith Moore wrote: >> On 07/10/2013 02:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: >>> The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees >>> have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day >>> passes is a recent phenomenon to which some people, including myself, >>> are on balance opposed. >> I'm also of the opinion that the one-day passes were a bad idea. We have >> too little cross-group and cross-area participation, too many groups >> working at cross-purposes, and too little attention paid to the >> implications of any one new protocol on the Internet architecture. We >> have become very overspecialized and we need to see what we can do to >> discourage this trend. > > I can spend a week at an IETF meeting and never participate in a session > outside a given area. That's true of course, but you will also have the chance to pick up corridor gossip from other areas, and to be found by people in other areas who are concerned about something your area is doing. > Day passes have nothing to do with it. I disagree. Day passes encourage the notion that it's normal to parachute into the IETF to attend a single session. I think that the IETF's strength is that we don't totally compartmentalise work items. In that light, it's reasonable that two day passes should cost more than the whole week. In any case, hotel costs quickly exceed the meeting fee if you stay for a few days. Not to mention that people who've paid for a day pass get mighty upset when a session is moved to a different day at the last moment. Brian