Do we have any statistics on how many appeals to the IESG fail and how many succeed? If I knew that 97% of appeals get rejected, I wouldn't even bother writing one... (On the other hand, that might simply be because 97% of the appeals are written by loons. Statistics can't tell us everything.) Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/ ________________________________________ From: ietf-announce-bounces@xxxxxxxx [ietf-announce-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The IESG [iesg@xxxxxxxx] Sent: 02 July 2013 23:24 To: abdussalambaryun@xxxxxxxxx Cc: ietf-announce@xxxxxxxx Subject: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats The IESG has reviewed the appeal of Abdussalam Baryun dated June 19, 2013 on the subject of inclusion in the acknowledgments section of draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/appeal/baryun-2013-06-19.txt This is a dispute about a matter in a working group. The same matter has previously been raised with the working group chairs and responsible Area Director, as specified in RFC 2026 Section 6.5.1. Writing acknowledgments sections is largely a matter of editorial discretion, where good sense and general attribution practices are the primary guidelines, although RFC 2026 Section 10.3.1 has some specific rules regarding acknowledgment of major contributors, copyright, and IPR. After reviewing the appeal, including the associated list discussion and draft revisions, the IESG concludes that the authors made a reasonable editorial choice that was well within their discretion and that none of the messages at issue fall under the required acknowledgment rules of RFC 2026 Section 10.3.1 and RFC 5378 Sections 5.6a and 1c. The IESG finds that the chairs and responsible AD handled complaints about the matter appropriately.