On Jun 19, 2013, at 2:27 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > And do not let me get started on EPP or Whois issues... ;-) Actually, let's let you get started. :-) Part of the problem you are seeing with the lack of RFCs desired by ICANN is that it is now harder to get an individual submission standards track RFC than it was ten years ago. ADs want more more done in WGs so they get more review before the document comes to IETF last call. But there is no EPP WG. And WEIRDS is supposed to only be forward-looking, not dealing with practices with the current protocol. The problem is that the IETF is saying two different things to ICANN: let us do the work, and we don't really care about the work you need done because it is about old protocols. The Applications Area Directors have done a good job of spinning up short-lived WGs for narrow topics, and letting single-topic documents come to AppsAWG, but ICANN's needs are greater than that. In the past, it was easy for a small group to put together a small protocol spec and get it on standards track if it was a follow-on to an existing protocol, but that is much more difficult now. ICANN needs it to be easier. The IETF should support them in that. --Paul Hoffman