On 5/30/13 6:21 PM, l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > You'd love the Pacific. > Few IETFers get exposed to these kinds of environments. I'd had no idea. The point here isn't to derogate techies working in this kind of environment, but that because the sorts of informal technology and skills transfer mechanisms that exist in tech centers don't exist here (people stay in jobs forever, not many new people come in, there's no elite university), there's heavy reliance among operators and enterprise data centers on the people who sell them stuff. I think that this is probably more common than we realize, and might go towards answering questions about where the operators are. Melinda