--On Wednesday, May 15, 2013 14:28 -0700 Doug Ewell <doug@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >... > I did this because > the WG at the time included a malicious contributor who had > already contacted the HR department of another contributor's > employer, asking them to professionally discipline the > employee, because he had supported an RFC 3683 PR-action > against the first contributor. Full disclosure can be a > dangerous thing. I know that sort of "contact the employer and ask them to chew out the employee" stuff goes on because I've had it tried on me at least twice although both involved technical issues and choices, not, e.g., a PR-action. In the first instance, the employer said something about academic freedom and essentially told the person complaining to kiss off. In the second, the employer laughed. I may have been luckier in my choices of employers (and clients) and I know bad stuff happens sometimes, but the sort of case you outline doesn't seem to me to be a good argument against disclosure of affiliations. It seems to me that, very rare edge cases aside, either: (i) Your employer knows what you are doing and saying in the IETF, at least to the extent that they care, and will back you should such complaints arrive. (ii) You and your employer have an agreement that you participate in the IETF as an independent activity that they don't try to control. Should a complaint arise, they presumably tell the complaining party that unless your IETF behavior is an embarrassment to the company, in which case (iii) applies. (iii) Your IETF behavior is, as far as your employer is concerned, that of a loose cannon. You regularly work against company positions or the company's best interests and haven't laid the internal foundation for that to be acceptable. A complaint associated with something you have disclosed could get you into big trouble, but complaints are equally likely from people who know where you are working, disclosure or no, such as fellow employees of the same organization. So I suggest that, if your behavior is proper and above board, disclosure will rarely create a problem. If your behavior isn't, then disclosure may be the least of your difficulties. In addition, the IETF may be in need of a mechanism for documenting and disclosing the identities of anyone who thinks that complaining to someone's employer about his or her reasonable behavior at the IETF. I imagine the community could figure out appropriate and completely informal ways to discourage that particular style of trying to influence IETF decision-making. best, john