Re: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process

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Joe,

> Broken, agreed.

Yep.

> Unclear, nope - please review the NON-DISCUSS criteria, notably:
> 
> The motivation for a particular feature of a protocol is not clear enough. At the IESG review stage, protocols should not be blocked because they provide capabilities beyond what seems necessary to acquit their responsibilities.
> 
> The DISCUSS isn't there to make documents "better" - that's for COMMENTs. A DISCUSS there to catch a set of problems and to *block* the document's progress until that problem is resolved.


Yes, but note that there are multiple aspects of "unclear". You cite above the motivation aspect. There's also a DISCUSS criteria for other forms of unclear, e.g., if I can't figure out what I should do in the implementation, it would be an issue. The criteria document confirms:

"The specification is impossible to implement due to technical or clarity issues."


> Sure, but note that there is a specific NON-DISCUSS criteria on this point:
> 
> Disagreement with informed WG decisions that do not exhibit problems outlined in Section 3.1 (DISCUSS Criteria). In other words, disagreement in preferences among technically sound approaches.
> 
> Finding technical mistakes is good, but imposing the IESG's preferred technical solution over the WG's preference is inappropriate, but happens.

If you are hit with a Discusss that is about preferring another technical solution, you should push back.

Jari






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