On May 1, 2013, at 18:33, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > we need to create a new category of document which > amounts to "fully baked ID" Yes. (I'm not sure it's a category, it might just be a stage.) There is a stage in the development of a protocol where I no longer want to hear "it's just a draft, so we can change anything at will". This would also be a good time to bring in the cross-area review. Grüße, Carsten