l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx <l.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > +1 to Joe's comment. > > Example: the existence of the extensibility bit in multipath tcp, > which i understand came out of a review by the iesg member responsible > for security. I assume you're talking RFC 6824. I recommend reading the Narrative Minutes of September 13th: http://www.ietf.org/iesg/minutes/2012/narrative-minutes-2012-09-13.html There were DISCUSSes from Stephen Farrell (Security), Barry Leiba (Applications), Robert Sparks (RAI), and Sean Turner (Security). Stephen Farrell did complain about a negotiation scheme that only allowed seven security algorithms; and asked "how you could practically extend this design for stronger cryptographic security". > In that context, that would be outside the scope of any security > review, Hardly! Those are exactly what I would hope for in a Security review. > and the comments weren't raised in a personal capacity years earlier > on the relevant mailing list. I'm not going to research that; but it seems hardly relevant... > Sure, getting past iesg only cost multipath tcp a bit. (which, BTW, I strongly endorse!) > But iesg members exceeding their bounds as reviewers and leaving a > personal mark seems commonplace. Perception is easily mistaken for reality. :^( But if you look at the datatracker history: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mptcp-multiaddressed/history/ you'll see that all four DISCUSSes were cleared by October 22. Considering that this document started life in June of 2010, and was a major enhancement of TCP, 40 days doesn't seem excessive, IMHO. > iesg members are there for expertise in their area and to provide that > expertise in focused reviews, Note that there's really a lot of overlap between areas: so "focused" may not be the right criterion. > not to block until a protocol is redesigned to suit their personal > tastes. I am told this used to happen. I have not experienced it in the five years I have been scribing. ==== I really don't know how to change the perception -- but I strongly recommend referring to the Narrative Minutes. Hopefully that history will be preserved "forever". -- John Leslie <john@xxxxxxx>