Re: Mentoring

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	Yes, not everyone can be a good mentor. You need the willing to do it,
some experience in the IETF, and perhaps some communication abilities,
besides that, I see no problem for anyone to be one.

	
/as

On 15/03/2013 09:54, Yoav Nir wrote:
> I agree that this is not just for the formal leaders. But mentoring is also not for everyone. I would guess that WG chairs, IAB and IESG members are more likely to know who would be good mentors for a particular group or area. Eugene Terrell would not be a good mentor, despite having authored 16 drafts. Even ignoring such extreme examples, not everyone is good at teaching others. While the socially-inept stereotype does not fit engineers in general, and fits this community even less, there are some of us who are like that, and would not make good mentors.
> 
> But I think a combination of self-selection and WG chair and IESG prodding can lead to a large enough group of mentors.
> 
> I intend to send to the mailing lists of my groups a message asking "who on this list is going to attend an IETF meeting or <groupname> meeting for the first time in Berlin. Please email me or <other chair> directly." Then if we get any replies, we can set up a get-together with those people before the actual session. If it's more than 1 or 2, we can get some other people we consider leaders to come as well. We can use such a get-together to talk to them about what they're interested in, and to ask them if they'd like to be considered the next time we're looking for an editor.
> 
> On Mar 15, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Arturo Servin <arturo.servin@xxxxxxxxx>
>  wrote:
> 
>>
>> 	Along the thread there have been great ideas on how to do mentoring to
>> newcomers; I just want to point out something.
>>
>> 	Mentoring is not only about WG chairs, IAB and IESG, it seems to me
>> that we want to pass the problem to them. My opinion is that anyone that
>> has come to the IETF three or more times, has written a draft (even
>> though it never became an RFC), has sent comments or review and I+D, has
>> gone to the mic or any combination of it could become a good mentor.
>>
>> 	So, please take mentoring as an activity for each one of us interested
>> in help new people get involved in the IETF and not just pass the
>> problem to our leaders.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> as
>>
>> P.D. Not replying to any comment in particular.
>>
>> On 13/03/2013 23:23, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Two suggestions that seemed easier to send in email than to
>>> stand in the mic line that I'd encourage people to think about...
>>>
>>> (1) I've found the Newcomer's Meet-and-Greet very useful in
>>> finding newcomers I want to keep and eye on and try to help move
>>> along and my personal instincts are to go for diversity in those
>>> decisions.  But those sessions are open only to WG Chairs and
>>> IAB and IESG members --people who tend to be among the more
>>> overextended in terms of schedules-- in addition to the
>>> newcomers.  So those sessions are more useful for giving
>>> newcomers an opportunity to meet relevant WG Chairs (for
>>> example) than for setting up any sort of mentoring relationship.
>>> It may be worth thinking a bit about some other ways of
>>> establishing relevant contacts, perhaps (as is done with ISOC
>>> IETF Fellows) even getting those relationships in place before
>>> the newcomer shows up.
>>>
>>> (2) This applies to leadership development as well as to the
>>> diversity and mentoring issues in particular, but the focus on
>>> WG Chairs and I* members tends to exclude and underutilize what
>>> should be an important resource.  There are a bunch of people
>>> around who have retired from formal leadership positions (and
>>> who are trying to stay retired).  At least in principle, we have
>>> more flexible time than, e.g., an IESG member.  We should be
>>> available for mentoring -- it is probably the most important
>>> thing we can do.  But the system isn't well-organized now to
>>> utilize us in that way and probably we should be thinking
>>> together about how to improve that.
>>>
>>>   john
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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