petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f838cff8b048104d76e919a --e89a8f838cff8b048104d76e919a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Richard, IETF process may not be ideal, but it is better. More importantly, it is a grassroots (not industry specific, and totally vendor dominated) process, that at least considers unsolicited ideas based on merit, not popularity. And I bet NIST or GSA or the CTOs office are the right agencies to implement it. It is guaranteed to be light years better than a petition website.. Thanks for reading.. Sam Crooks scrooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Richard Barnes Sent: =E2=80=8E3/=E2=80=8E8/=E2=80=8E2013 11:09 AM To: Sam Crooks Cc: Warren Kumari; khomme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; patrick.gallagher@xxxxxxxx; case_cole@xxxxxxxxx; ietf@xxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [IETF] Petition for "We the People" US Federal Government petition process: Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovation from public. I think you may be over-estimating the filtering power of the Internet-Draft system. On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sam Crooks <sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > not a Joke, Warren (and IETF). > > The petition process is the best I have found to put in unsolicited > suggestions. The RFI process and public comments are the ways to put in > solicited comments on some topic. There is not a good merit-based proces= s > to put suggestions and ideas into the government, > > > I am trying to get an effective one created. The IETF Internet Draft > process is the most effective I can think of for a grassroots process to > take input and kill the Internet trolls who hijack such processes.. > > I would appreciate your help, as well as the rest of the networking > industry's help, in highlighting the issue to people in the federal > government who can change it and put in an effective process. > > There is innovation going on in the government, and they are starting to > put in place processes for innovation internally, but the government does > not have an effective process for gathering ideas from the public and > validating them based on merit. The Whitehouse's "We the People" website > is a popularity contest which occasionally produces interesting things, > like the recent "Build the Death Star" petition response from the > Whitehouse. > > General Services Administration (GSA) is probably one of the most > innovative government agencies in relation to IT. NIST and DHS NPPD and > the DHS S&T directorates are very innovative as well, particularly in > regards to cybersecurity and information assurance. State department as > well. > > Casey Coleman of the GSA writes a great blog on the innovation occurring > in the government, and is one of the most forward looking CIOs. > http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/ > > > GSA is trying to innovate. Read this article: > http://www.govexec.com/management/2013/03/hunting-great-ideas-should-be-e= veryday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/ > > > The Whitehouse is doing some interesting things as well > > Hackathons<http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/03/02/looking-back-white-h= ouse-hackathon> > Exposing government data sets Open Government initiative<http://www.white= house.gov/open/around> > Data.gov > Presidential Innovation Fellows program<http://www.whitehouse.gov/innovat= ionfellows> > > Help me highlight a great process that works (at least considerably bette= r > than petitions) for collecting and vetting ideas from anybody on how and > why something should be changed, and perhaps it will be implemented. > > > The petition: http://wh.gov/G29p <http://wh.gov/G29p> > > Regards, > > Sam Crooks > http://www.linkedin.com/in/samcrooks/ > sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx > > > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Warren Kumari <warren@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> 'm assuming this is a joke=E2=80=A6 but my subtlety filters are turned d= own, so >> who knows... >> >> "The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filterin= g >> out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a >> proposal to be submitted." >> >> W >> On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Sam Crooks <sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > Hi all: >> > >> > If you agree, please sign this petition. I'd appreciate your help in >> crossing the thresholds required for consideration. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Sam >> > >> > >> > >> > Text of the Petition: >> > >> > "Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for >> taking in suggestions for innovation from public. >> > I believe that the "We the People" initiative is a good idea, >> grassroots-level suggestions, but a less than ideal implementation for >> collection of innovation suggestions. >> > >> > I propose that the Federal Government implement a process and structur= e >> similar to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Internet Draft and >> Request For Comment (RFC) processes and organization, which has proven t= o >> be *extremely* effective at filtering the Internet trolls, which have >> hijacked the "We the People" website and at collecting and acting on val= id >> innovation proposals from anyone with an idea. >> > >> > The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at >> filtering out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure require= d >> for a proposal to be submitted. >> > >> > http://www.ietf.org"; >> > >> > >> > >> > http://wh.gov/G29p >> > >> > >> > >> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-request-comment-rfc-pro= cess-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/CqHFnjJc >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> "Working the ICANN process is like being nibbled to death by ducks, >> it takes forever, it doesn't make sense, and in the end we're still dead >> in the water." >> -- Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president for government relations. >> >> >> >> > --e89a8f838cff8b048104d76e919a Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" http-equiv=3DContent-Type></HE= AD> <BODY> <DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">Hi Richard,= <BR><BR>IETF process may not be ideal, but it is better. More importa= ntly, it is a grassroots (not industry specific, and totally vendor dominat= ed) process, that at least considers unsolicited ideas based on merit, not = popularity.<BR><BR>And I bet NIST or GSA or the CTOs office are the right a= gencies to implement it.<BR><BR><BR><BR>It is guaranteed to be light years = better than a petition website..<BR><BR>Thanks for reading..<BR><BR>Sam Cro= oks<BR>scrooks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR></DIV></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <HR> <SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGH= T: bold">From: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,= sans-serif"><A href=3D"mailto:rlb@xxxxxx";>Richard Barnes</A></SPAN><BR><SPA= N style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: b= old">Sent: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans= -serif">=E2=80=8E3/=E2=80=8E8/=E2=80=8E2013 11:09 AM</SPAN><BR><SPAN style= =3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To= : </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"><= A href=3D"mailto:sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx";>Sam Crooks</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN sty= le=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">= Cc: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif"= ><A href=3D"mailto:warren@xxxxxxxxxx";>Warren Kumari</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:= khomme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx">khomme@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:patrick= .gallagher@xxxxxxxx">patrick.gallagher@xxxxxxxx</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:case= _cole@xxxxxxxxx">case_cole@xxxxxxxxx</A>; <A href=3D"mailto:ietf@xxxxxxxx";>= ietf@xxxxxxxx</A></SPAN><BR><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Ca= libri,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SI= ZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [IETF] Petition for "We the = People" US Federal Government petition process: Create a Request for Commen= t (RFC) process similar to the IETF's for taking in suggestions for innovat= ion from public.</SPAN><BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>I think you may be over-= estimating the filtering power of the Internet-Draft system.<div><br></div>= <div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Sam= Crooks <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx"; tar= get=3D"_blank">sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">not a Joke, Warren (and IETF).<div><br></div= ><div>The petition process is the best I have found to put in unsolicited s= uggestions. The RFI process and public comments are the ways to put in soli= cited comments on some topic. =C2=A0There is not a good merit-based process= to put suggestions and ideas into the government,</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I am trying to get an effective one crea= ted. =C2=A0The IETF Internet Draft process is the most effective I can thin= k of for a grassroots process to take input and kill the Internet trolls wh= o hijack such processes..</div> <div><br></div><div>I would appreciate your help, as well as the rest of th= e networking industry's help, in highlighting the issue to people in th= e federal government who can change it and put in an effective process.</di= v> <div><br></div><div>There is innovation going on in the government, and the= y are starting to put in place processes for innovation internally, but the= government does not have an effective process for gathering ideas from the= public and validating them based on merit. =C2=A0The Whitehouse's &quo= t;We the People" website is a popularity contest which occasionally pr= oduces interesting things, like the recent "Build the Death Star"= petition response from the Whitehouse.</div> <div><br></div><div>General Services Administration (GSA) is probably one o= f the most innovative government agencies in relation to IT. =C2=A0NIST and= DHS NPPD and the DHS S&T directorates are very innovative as well, par= ticularly in regards to cybersecurity and information assurance. =C2=A0Stat= e department as well.</div> <div><br></div><div>Casey Coleman of the GSA writes a great blog on the inn= ovation occurring in the government, and is one of the most forward looking= CIOs. =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/"; target=3D"_bla= nk">http://gsablogs.gsa.gov/innovation/</a></div> <div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>GSA is trying to innovate. =C2= =A0Read this article: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://www.govexec.com/management/20= 13/03/hunting-great-ideas-should-be-everyday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/" = target=3D"_blank">http://www.govexec.com/management/2013/03/hunting-great-i= deas-should-be-everyday-affair-gsa-chief-says/61674/</a></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The Whitehouse is doing some interesting= things as well</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.whitehouse.g= ov/blog/2013/03/02/looking-back-white-house-hackathon" target=3D"_blank">Ha= ckathons</a></div> <div>Exposing government data sets <a href=3D"http://www.whitehouse.gov/ope= n/around" target=3D"_blank">Open Government initiative</a>=C2=A0 <a href=3D= "http://Data.gov"; target=3D"_blank">Data.gov</a></div><div><a href=3D"http:= //www.whitehouse.gov/innovationfellows" target=3D"_blank">Presidential Inno= vation Fellows program</a></div> <div><br></div><div>Help me highlight a great process that works (at least = considerably better than petitions) for collecting and vetting ideas from a= nybody on how and why something should be changed, and perhaps it will be i= mplemented.=C2=A0</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The petition: <a href=3D"http://wh.gov/G= 29p" target=3D"_blank">=C2=A0http://wh.gov/G29p</a></div><div><br></div><di= v>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Sam Crooks</div><div><a href=3D"http://= www.linkedin.com/in/samcrooks/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/i= n/samcrooks/</a></div> <div> <a href=3D"mailto:sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx"; target=3D"_blank">sam.a.crooks@gm= ail.com</a></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div><br><br><div = class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Warren Kumari <span = dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:warren@xxxxxxxxxx"; target=3D"_blank">warr= en@xxxxxxxxxx</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">'m assuming this is a joke=E2=80=A6 but = my subtlety filters are turned down, so who knows...<br> <div><br> "The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filter= ing out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a p= roposal to be submitted."<br> <br> </div>W<br> <div><div>On Mar 5, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Sam Crooks <<a href=3D"mailto:sam.= a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx" target=3D"_blank">sam.a.crooks@xxxxxxxxx</a>> wrote:= <br> <br> > Hi all:<br> ><br> > If you agree, please sign this petition. =C2=A0I'd appreciate your= help in crossing the thresholds required for consideration.<br> ><br> > Regards,<br> ><br> > Sam<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Text of the Petition:<br> ><br> > "Create a Request for Comment (RFC) process similar to the IETF&#= 39;s for taking in suggestions for innovation from public.<br> > I believe that the "We the People" initiative is a good idea= , grassroots-level suggestions, but a less than ideal implementation for co= llection of innovation suggestions.<br> ><br> > I propose that the Federal Government implement a process and structur= e similar to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Internet Draft and = Request For Comment (RFC) processes and organization, which has proven to b= e *extremely* effective at filtering the Internet trolls, which have hijack= ed the "We the People" website and at collecting and acting on va= lid innovation proposals from anyone with an idea.<br> ><br> > The Internet Draft process of the IETF works so effectively at filteri= ng out Internet trolls because of the rigor and structure required for a pr= oposal to be submitted.<br> ><br> > <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org<= /a>"<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > <a href=3D"http://wh.gov/G29p"; target=3D"_blank">http://wh.gov/G29p</a= ><br> ><br> ><br> > <a href=3D"https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-request-co= mment-rfc-process-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/CqHFnj= Jc" target=3D"_blank">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-requ= est-comment-rfc-process-similar-ietfs-taking-suggestions-innovation-public/= CqHFnjJc</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> <br> </div></div>--<br> "Working the ICANN process is like being nibbled to death by ducks,<br= > it takes forever, it doesn't make sense, and in the end we're still= dead in the water."<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Tom Galvin, VeriSign's vice president for government r= elations.<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --e89a8f838cff8b048104d76e919a--