Brian> Russ, I would never argue for non-technical ADs. But when we Brian> are short of candidates, it may be necessary to appoint Brian> technically expert ADs who are not deep experts in the Brian> specific area. It's a practical matter. I actually think expecting ADs to learn a fair bit on the IESG is part of coming up to speed on the IESG. I'm aware of people who served on the IESG with me who had significant gaps in material their area covered. In some cases, this was solved by splitting work load. In some cases it was covered by having the AD learn a lot. In one case the AD came in having huge gaps in half of the area in question. Today that person is considered an expert in one of the areas where he had the largest gaps and is focusing most of his effort there. I wouldn't want someone on the IESg without a strong technical presence in the IETF. It matters less to me whether it's in the area in question. And yes, I've thought about how I'd feel if someone jumped from another area to security. I can think of a number of APS or RAI ADs who I think could succeed in the security area if they decided to put in the effort to learn on the job. It would be a huge investment in effort, but it could succeed. IESG-level review of a document really is a skill that can be learned. It helps to have a lot to draw on, but I don't believe anyone can (or does) have coverage of all the areas they are reviewing. The huge part of the skill is to figure out how to do the technical job even given that. It involves trusting others sometimes, reading discussions, learning new things. Sometimes though, you do just have to spend the effort to understand some particular issue well enough to make an informed opinion. Having experts in areas doesn't escape this. When there's an appeal or a disagreement between areas it can be important for ADs to come up to speed on an issue outside their area and make an informed decision about it. So in conclusion, I strongly value technical contribution and demonstrated ability to pick up new knowledge in an AD. I do not highly value knowing all the things going on in a specific area at the time the AD joins the IESG. --Sam