Fred, On 25/02/2013 07:05, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: >>> Twitter, Google+, Facebook, etc. could be the next steps. >>> Let's embrace new tools to collaborate. >> Let's not. Collaboration based on software running on >> servers run by the IETF or a contractor payed by the IETF >> is fine. Using collaboration tools owned by the entities >> you listed, or similar entities, is not. > > I'm of two opinions here. One, I agree with Marc that the > case has not been made for the use of proprietary > technologies such as you mention; we actually do pretty well, > and the ultimate issue is about effective communication with > all of the relevant participants, not with those few that use > a given social networking service Exactly. The inter-personal communication toolset we use in the IETF is quite limited because of some unwritten constraints, which certainly include: - very widely available, including free or open source solutions - operating-system independent - standardised, non-proprietary - not unduly plagued by advertising - preferably, standardised by the IETF itself - most tools allow time-shifting for worldwide collaboration - reasonably secure - do not damage privacy but do not encourage anonymity I think we have to be very careful going outside that set of constraints (which is why I'm not a big fan of Webex or for that matter Meetecho). ... > Arturo, my suggestion: in some context, after discussion with > the working-group-or-whatever-in-question, use one of the > tools you mention to accomplish IETF work. Take careful notes > of what proportion of the indicated community (if the IPv6 > Operations WG, for example, the participants in v6ops) join > the discussions, and what contribution those discussions > make. Think about archives, s/archives/public archives/ focused issue discussion (what > SMTP readers call "threads"), and so on. Then write a draft > documenting the outcome of that. Yes Brian