> i think we're ratholing here. the point i get is that, if there is open > source code that suppliments the drafts sufficiently to lend confidence > in the implementability and implementation, then progress might be > accelerated. But the point of "running code" in our nice, catchy slogan, is that "running" doesn't mean simply that it runs. It means that it's actually *in use*, possibly for real, but at least in a test lab where it's getting real use. *Real* running code probably does lend such confidence. Code that's just been written because it helps your draft get an extra tick mark in a box almost certainly doesn't, whether we can see and understand the source code or not. Barry