On 11/15/12 3:15 PM, John R Levine wrote: >> As Arturo says, having people that traditionally go to an IETF meeting >> travel to (for them) far away places and (for them) new cultures, do >> definitely open their eyes to how large our world is. > > I think that learning about other parts of the world is swell, but I > don't think the IETF should be a travel agent. > Comparing with the ITU who does tour the world, organizing workshops in far away places, I really think we should be trying a little harder to be more open. So far this entire thread would provide a nice argument for those proposing more government involvement as clearly the multistakeholder approach is failing the less developed economies. Given that WCIT is starting in a few days, and that every country has one vote in that thing, I think this kind of attitude is not helping us. This is not my personal view, but that is how some may read it: the IETF attendees are a bunch of 'ivory tower' engineers who can't be bothered to fly routes with more than one connection or who firmly believe that the business district in Sao Paulo is more dangerous/menacing than the area around the Atlanta Hilton. I want the IETF and the governance model it represents to succeed, I firmly believe in it. However I'm not that blind and I seriously believe we need to fix some things at home, or we are going to be easy prey for those seeking to control the Internet. regards ~Carlos > Regards, > John Levine, johnl@xxxxxxxxx, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY > "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.