On 11/10/2012 9:26 AM, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Even in those cases, however, behaving as though those participants > were primarily motivated by the IETF mission generally seems the best > way to sustain the collaboration, or at least the illusion of collaboration, > and hopefully get *something* done. This is quite possibly where peer pressure or groupthink or whatever can possibly have a gating effect, I hope. In the best of all possible worlds understanding that cranking out vast numbers of crappy documents reduces your effectiveness within the organization because other participants read your crappy documents and assume that you don't know what you're doing. Reputation within the organization matters. That said, it's also important to think about how we make decisions. Consensus-based decision-making does require some sort of shared commitment to the process and to organizational happy stuff, because it's otherwise too easy to block progress. Again, I think it's worthwhile to find some way to communicate that if you're working within the IETF and you promote things that are good for your employer and bad for everybody else, people notice and your overall effectiveness suffers. Melinda