Hi All, +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Previos subject: Protocol Definition Change the subject so we can focus on the reality of IETF purpose> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The thing is that the definition has been discussed on the list and they were very good overall. However, the first question is not defining but how our IETF-WGs define protocols. If you cannot find a definition then write a RFC about the definition and you will notice that it will not pass through until you define it in the limits that I tried to define. There are RFC that were/are in IETF that didn't mention there applicability statement or use cases, which I think is very important is designing any protocol as: 1- what was it designed for? and 2- how will it be used? But thoes RFCs/protocols are for the Internet network, so that is why IETF is involved. I don't think that IETF is standardizing protocols that are/can not used in Internet network. Therefore, all protocols/RFCs in IETF SHOULD be produced in consistent with IETF purpose, and RECOMMENDED to define its use-case/applicability. However, it will be nice to think to write a draft of defining *IETF protocols and technologies*, which I may do in future interested, because this thread is going long :) Thanks, Donald and Tony for your points/comments, but we may see the RFCs that update your pointed-RFCs and in the future it may be updated as well to invision IETF purpose. AB =========================================== On 6/22/12, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > How about RFC 1661. > > Thanks, > Donald > ============================= > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@xxxxxxxxx > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Tony Finch <dot@xxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Randy Bush <randy@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> > All protocols in IETF are based on the Internet or/and the IP. >>> >>> what a laugh. try, for example, RFC 826 >> >> Perhaps a better example is RFC 6325. >> >> Tony. >> -- >> f.anthony.n.finch <dot@xxxxxxxx> http://dotat.at/ >> Cromarty: Northeasterly backing westerly, 5 or 6. Moderate or rough. >> Occasional rain. Moderate or poor. >