--On Monday, 23 April, 2012 13:13 -0400 Michael StJohns <mstjohns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > And to put a further point on it - the last sentence of the > "NOTE WELL" notice (http://www.ietf.org/about/note-well.html) > that applies to each and every IETF meeting and working group > session and IETF activity is very clear that written, audio > and video records can and will be kept. A person attending an > IETF meeting has no reasonable expectation of privacy for > those things we define as "IETF activities". > > So if someone demands "privacy", the price is > non-participation in the IETF. +1 +1 also to the notion that one just can't operate an open standards process in the dark with secret participants, even those who lurk in the virtual shadows in the back of the room. Remember that we take hums, listen for virtual and actual silences, etc. If a chair stays "does anyone have anything else to say about this", those who say nothing are still participating, not just watching quietly from afar. If some people don't want their participation in the meeting noted, they need to stay out of the meeting. I should also mention that I introduced a micro-innovation into a WG meeting a few IETF's back. We had asked who was going to read specific documents. Some hands went up, some didn't. In order to have a record of both, I took pictures and we put the pictures in the minutes. I believe that doing that was completely within the boundaries set by the provision Mike cites above... and that no one can say "oh, I get to be private, please block my face out of the picture even though you can retain my raised hand" john