Randy Bush speaketh: > in reply to: Nick Hilliard >> It's a quintessential bike-shed problem. The only reason >> that people are moaning about it so much is that they understand >> the concept of address allocation. > > exactly. they understand the concept. and, like many things > where the surface seems easy, everyone thinks they're an expert. Ugh. Who gets to decide who the experts are? Who gets to decide what voice they get? Why should the "working expert" be penalized because they don't favor sitting on a mailing list slogging through the minutae of everyday issues that don't impact them, just for speaking up when they are being affected? You'll note that I didn't just "vote-stuff" but have actively participated in trying to show my reasoning for support. I've sat on the MSO-IPv6 working group for the last 2 years, and draft-weil went to OPSAWG, I followed it there. And then it came over here. Are you telling me, that because I haven't participated in any other discussions, that I may not be "an expert" in my field, or that I don't get a voice? Even though I've been working with IPv6 for >7 years, and was the first person in Alaska to have a working production network available at my job? And to convince my company, that yes, IPv6 is worth fighting for? And to push back at vendors until they supported it? And filed and helped fix bugs? I say that it is not *your* call. I say that unless *you* are supporting >200k users on an IPv4 network with the threat of no additional public IPv4 space looming, and the REQUIREMENT that you not only maintain but GROW your business... ... if *YOU* *RANDY* are not doing that... then *YOU* are not an expert. Of course, that's not fair either. And I would be loathe to actually do such a thing. But I would be careful about throwing stones around... _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf