--On Friday, October 28, 2011 08:17 -0700 ned+ietf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >... > And frankly, if there's disrespect to be found here, IMO it > lies in using this > sad event as a proxy to criticize some IETF work some people > apparently don't like. Sorry, Ned. I can't speak for others, but no proxies here. I don't like the name and I have never liked the name. I did take exception to it (the name, not the WG) when the WG was first propose and got nowhere. I have noticed the use of LISP-the-programming-language terminology for protocol characteristics. In conjunction with the name, that use of that additional terminology completely contradicts the argument that these are separate domains of application and no confusion is intended or likely. What both demonstrate to me is that the people responsible for the name were being much more clever than professional. Of course, it may also demonstrate that I have little or no sense of humor :-(. As far as the protocol (or related "IETF work") is concerned, I haven't paid enough attention to it to have a competent opinion and I am quite agnostic about the work. It is, for me, all about the name. Even then, I'm less concerned about issues of disrespect --based on my extremely limited dealings with Prof McCarthy, I have trouble imagining that he would have put any effort into worrying about this -- than I am about its representing a style of cuteness that is of no help when the IETF and its work are having to interact with other SDOs and agencies. I'm also more anxious that we not do this sort of naming again than I am about this particular WG and name. Although, if the WG is in a recharter phase (as indicated in another note), it might be a good time to make a change, changing a WG name always involves some disruption and confusion. Those who are closer to the WG and its work than I am presumably have opinions about the costs of making a change; I really do not even pretend to be able to make that assessment. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf