--On Thursday, October 27, 2011 22:06 -0500 Pete Resnick <presnick@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > It didn't take long to find this on the TICC website: > > http://www.ticc.com.tw/content/Download/DownloadFile.aspx?id=1 > 02 > > It is a PDF with a creation date of Sep. 27, 2005 containing > the "Convention & Exhibition Manual for TICC,TAITRA". The > rules mentioned in the announcement are easily locatable in > that file, so I very much doubt that the issue of "change > without consent" is at issue here. Whether these rules were > known to the Secretariat/IAD at contracting time is, of > course, a separate question. Pete, for me, a small variation on the latter is the _only_ issue. I think the community has the right to expect that the meeting site selection process _will_ know and will inform us on a timely basis. If they knew about this issue didn't consider it important enough to tell us, then why tell us now? Looking at it a different way, if that document was incorporated by reference into the contract, then I suggest it was their obligation to either read it and understand its implications or to tell us that there are some restrictions in the facility of which we should be aware and that we had each better go read the document and understand/ accept its implications. By contrast, if the contract has a "nothing else counts" clause and the document was not explicitly incorporated, then the document doesn't count and we shouldn't be hearing about now (or ever). This might be considered just an oversight were it not for the number of controversies we've had on the IETF list about the availability of food and beverages for specific types of diets and needs. I guess I'd like to know when the IAD/Secretariat/IAOC knew, why we are being told only now, and whether the document you cite is part of the contract or excluded from it. But perhaps, using the position some IAOC members have taken vis-a-vis the remote participation requirements RFP, they have decided that, since BCP 101 doesn't explicitly say that we are entitled to know all non-financial aspects of contracts and they don't think it is important, we shouldn't get answers to such questions because we have no right to know. john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf